By: Alex RolandMonday, April 27th, the Black Lips came to Eugene Oregon's WOW! Hall accompanied by Flowers Forever. The “Lips” are a self-described “flower punk” band, which includes elements of punk, psychedelic, garage rock, blues, and indie, blended into a strikingly unique sound. The Atlanta, Georgian band is most commonly known for its live antics, including but not limited to: vomit, blood, urine, nudity, and brawls with bouncers, venue security, and even audience members. Recently the band was kicked out of India for such shenanigans. Nevertheless, South by Southwest has described the Black Lips as the hardest working band. Earlier this year they released their fifth album, 200 Million Thousand. Soon a collaboration project with King Kahn & BBQ Show, known as the Almighty Defenders, will be releasing an album as well.
In a cluttered office backstage before the show, Black Lips frontman Jared Swilley sat cross-legged across from me. He reclined in his swivel chair and took a swig from a red plastic cup. When I asked if he was ready to begin, he responded with a hearty nod and the recorder clicked on.
Alex Roland: First of all, I heard that you guys experienced a problem with Canadian border control recently. Do you want to talk about that?
Jared Swilley: Well it’s actually been going on for a few years. I’ve been banned for about six or seven years. The first time we were playing in Montreal, all those years ago, we didn’t have work permits going in so I had some friends from Montreal print me up some fake receipts saying we were recording there, not playing; therefore, spending money instead of making it. But we made the mistake of using our real band name on the receipts and they caught me. They Googled our name and found out why we were there. And I had another charge when I was a teenager for drinking and driving. So I’ve been banned for a long time. I’ve since snuck in about six times either by walking over or getting Canadians to drive me over. But I’ve been caught about an equal number of times and thrown out. And last time was like the last time they would just politely kick me out. But I got a lawyer and in June I’ll be able to go back legally.
AR: Really?
JS: Yeah, but it’s been a big headache the past few years, like missing shows. Well, [the bands has] always gone over but just without me and I’ve had to walk back from like Vancouver and from trying to get into Quebec before. Well, I’ve been stranded on the border trying to go into Vancouver and I’ve had to get buses back to Seattle and stuff. And I got shanghaied in Buffalo and had to go back to New York on a Greyhound. The guys would have to leave me there and I’d have to fly to another show.
AR: How’s your lawyer going to help you?
JS: I have a lot of professional friends in Quebec. I have surgeons and lawyers I’m friends with. And other lawyers write letters for me. So I have a bunch of people lobbying for my cause and I had to pay a big lawyer fee and write an apology letter to Canada and now I’m back.
AR: Great. You’ve said the purpose of your live shows is to make people happy. How does that impact you when there are shows when people start or pick fights? Like, there was a show in Portland at Dante’s in ’08….
JS: Yeah, yeah, well that kind of bums me out. Like, I don’t mind when like people go crazy and throw stuff and I don’t even mind fighting for the right reasons. But when it’s dumb and senseless and when you’re bumming other people out. Like that time… I don’t mind if someone throws like a plastic cup at me or a beer can while we’re playing. That’s just people letting loose. But I think that time [in Portland] someone threw a shot glass at [vocalist and guitarist] Cole [Alexander]’s head and it exploded and I jumped out there. I actually hit the wrong guy, but he was cool about it. But I don’t like seeing that, especially when I see like… girls just want to be up front and dance because our music isn’t super-agro, you know, like you’re supposed to dance with it and I’ve had friends that are girls come out of a show with their legs all destroyed and guys just knock ‘em over. It’s just, I don’t like that meat-head mentality because I hated jocks in high school and I hate when I see that here. And those people… I don’t feel like they have a place at my shows because some of those people, if they saw me out in the street they’d call me a faggot. The only reason they’re nice to me here is because they like the band or something like that. So I just don’t like that mentality at all.
AR: Have you ever done anything on stage that even you have been surprised by?
JS: Um, there’s been a few things. It’s just, you’re a target up there and like, you see your hands and you can’t see anything [else]. And you’re really vulnerable at that point and there have been many times where I’ve had to, you know, like get physical and fight people in the audience. Just like, standing up for myself because I don’t have dental insurance or health insurance and that microphone’s always just a hair away from knocking my teeth out. So I want to prevent that from happening. And you have so much adrenaline up there and you’ve been drinking, so like, I’ve regretted when I’ve had to attack people before. And I try not to do that anymore just because that could turn out real bad. I try to leave that to… usually I have friends in the audience like a tour manager that can look out for me. But also I don’t like bouncers pushing kids around. There’s always just a fine line, like a balance, and I like it when it’s just fun but it could turn into chaos at any moment. I like to toe the line there and just keep it there. It’s hard to do, but at much as possible.
AR: That’s rock ‘n roll.
JS: Yeah.
AR: You guys have had problems with bouncers; have you ever had problems with police?
JS: I almost got arrested in Cleveland for going after a kid- I didn’t even hurt him. The kid trumped up all the charges and I had to leave the club. But no, we’ve never had problems with police. Like, the cops didn’t even care about that because they knew the kid was lying. Oh, well we had a show one time… it had nothing to do with us, but one time we were playing a show in Green Bay with the King Kahn [&] BBQ Show we were like setting up and I went outside to the van to get something. And there was this cop standing there with his gun drawn and he was like “get back inside” and I was like “okay.” Then all of a sudden, from the back and the front, all these cops raid the whole bar and start searching everyone. Like, one guy who was working there was wanted or something. And then they started checking everyone’s IDs and they arrested [the employee] and they arrested the bartender because there were all of these under-aged kids in there drinking. And we had an illegal Canadian immigrant with us because he had just been kicked out of the country. So yeah, the cops shut down the whole bar. And then they arrested another bartender for being back on his child-support. It seemed like a really red-neck town. Or maybe it was just a real red-neck bar. But we didn’t do anything. We were just like “where are we supposed to play?” and the cops were like “I don’t know.” And then they just left. [Laughing] But it’s never been our fault.
AR: You’ve said you’re cutting down on the antics that you do onstage. Do you think you’ll ever stop completely or would that eliminate a part of the band’s personality?
JS: Well, we’ve never… I mean we’re always going to put on a good show. Like, we’re entertainers and we’re always going to give people their money’s worth. And I can’t control going crazy on and offstage, but all the other antics and stuff only really happened when we were teenagers and no one ever saw us. Mostly, it was just people, like journalists and stuff just recycling the same things from like our Wikipedia page over and over again. So I don’t think anything’s changed. I mean, Cole used to have a serious acid-reflux problem to where he couldn’t control it, especially when he sang and if he ate too close to when he sang. And he was throwing up a lot and people thought that was part of the show but it happened during the day too, but mostly when he’d over-exert himself. And it gave him polyps on his throat because, you know, there’s so much acidity going through there. So he had to take classes to learn how to breathe better and different and he has to take pills now. So that wasn’t part of the show. That was a by-product of a health problem.
AR: Wow, he still sang even though it was causing him to vomit?
JS: Yeah.
AR: How do you like performing for Eugene and what do you like or dislike about the city?
JS: Well we’ve only been here once before, like last year. And last year it was really cool, I like it because it’s like a community center, it’s non-profit, so that’s cool. And the room, it’s cool, it’s like classic American. Like this is the only WOW! Hall we’ve ever played in the states. So that’s cool and the fact that it’s all ages and young kids can come. ‘Cause I missed so many bands I liked just because I wasn’t 21. So I like that. The thing I don’t like is the rain and the crusty people outside. You know those high plains drifters and stuff?
AR: The what?
JS: All those backpack kids that are homeless, like fake-homeless.
AR: Your band has also claimed to dislike putting too much effort or thought into songwriting….
JS: No, it’s not too much effort into songwriting. It’s just when you over-think things. Like a good song is a good song. “Louie Louie” [By Chuck Berry] is one of the best songs ever written. “Tutti Frutti” [by Little Richard], they were great. You don’t have to over-think stuff. I mean, some bands do because some bands are real complex and stuff. We even have some complexities, but when you over-pick something apart then it becomes just… you can kill it real fast. You can kill a good idea. At least, the way I work, any time I’ve ever written a song it’s been more like a… it just hits you right there and then that’s it. I like simple music; I like simple things. Everything I like is plain and simple.
AR: So you’re not one to sit there and agonize over words?
JS: No, as long as they’re not completely stupid. And a lot of our words are really stupid. If it sounds good we’ll play it.
AR: What was the inspiration for some of your music videos, such as “I’ll Be with You” and “Short Fuse?”
JS: Well “I’ll Be with You” was like… I’d been seeing a lot of my family’s old real-to-real movies from the ‘60s and I like the way eight millimeter film looks way better than anything else. You can film like a car driving, and it looks great. And so I thought since it was kind of a sappy ‘50s song we’d make a video that looks like old home movies. I was just trying to be like… I don’t know… sappy. [Laughing] It looked cool. “Short Fuse,” I really love. I grew up watching “Jonny Quest” and like “Spiderman” cartoons with my dad and I kind of liked how the animation looked. That was like [drummer] Joe [Bradley]’s idea, but we all… it was the same kind of ‘60s film aesthetic or animation aesthetic. I like old animation but not any of the new stuff or Japanese stuff. I think that’s dumb.
AR: You said that based on your experience in India you’re not discouraged from touring around the world, but are there places that you’re more or less excited about visiting as a result?
JS: Well we got an offer later this year to do China and Thailand and Indonesia and Singapore and we’re definitely going to do China. The one thing we learned from India though was… we might not do Singapore just because so much is illegal there like spitting in public, smoking in public, drinking in public, I’ve heard dancing…there’s so many rules in Singapore.
AR: Dancing?!
JS: I don’t know how updated all that is but I just remember the American kid that got caned for egging a car a few years ago. It just seems a little too repressive for our taste. But we’re definitely going to do China and I’d definitely think twice about doing…. Well I would go anywhere. If we did do Singapore we might just have to follow the rules and if not I guess we’d get caned. But I want to see as much as I can. We’ll just be more careful in Muslim and Hindu countries from now on.
AR: What can fans expect from the Almighty Defenders’ LP?
JS: I’m really happy with that. I’m more happy with it than a lot of stuff we’ve done lately. It’s kind of like… it’s gospel influenced but we’re not like singing about Jesus or anything like that. So I guess it’s like evil gospel. But I don’t know, I think it’s really good. BBQ has an amazing voice and King Kahn is great and writes some good songs. It’s just super fun because those are like my two favorite people… or our two favorite people. It’s almost like we’re the same band anyway. But once we joined forces we’re the Almighty Defenders. Those are my two favorite people to work with. So it should be coming out soon and we have one show in Toronto booked in June. I want to start working on it more once this tour for [200 Million Thousand] is done we can go to Germany and start working on some new stuff.
AR: So you’re going to be doing more stuff together?
JS: Yeah, yeah, definitely. It’s going to be an ongoing project.
AR: Do you think you’re all going to tour together?
JS: Yes, for sure. ‘Cause we can fit all six of us in one van with three bands and get paid for three bands [The Black Lips, King Kahn & BBQ and the Almighty Defenders] with only six people. So economically it’s brilliant, especially in these hard times.
AR: It is… but it’s six people in one van.
JS: We have six people in our van right now.
AR: You all have room to sleep and everything?
JS: We get hotels at night. Well except tonight. Well we’ll get a hotel in the morning, once we get to Sacramento, but we drive all night. But I’m going to drink enough to where I can just sleep the whole time.
AR: Last question: what is the most surprising thing you’ve ever heard or read someone say about your band? Good or bad.
JS: Well I will say a bad thing. I got in a lot of trouble a few years ago. My father’s a preacher; every male in my family is as well. And one time our news paper had this article about us in the music section and about my dad in the religion section and they said that Cole gave me oral sex or vice-versa onstage, which never even came close to happening. I don’t even know if that was a mean joke or where the hell that came from. That never happened and my dad was really bummed about it. I had to tell him it was all lies. [Laughing] It was really awkward at dinner ‘cause I was still in high school at the time.
AR: Oh man, really?
JS: Maybe I just finished high school, but it was awkward.
AR: [Laughing] I can imagine. Well thank you.
JS: No problem.
After the interview, the show should have been close to starting. Instead pre-concert music was still playing and almost everyone was lined up against the wall or rooting through the merch tables; anywhere but the front of the stage. There was neither an age-limit nor a dress-code. Everyone from punks to cowboys was excited to see the Black Lips. The show began almost a half-hour (but still fashionably) late, with a local band from Eugene. Before long, everyone was toe-tapping, booty-shaking and swing-dancing along. We were warmed up and ready to go by the time Flowers Forever, an Omaha, Nebraska band, hit the stage. They didn’t incite the same side-ache inducing dancing, but engaged interest throughout the set with intriguing songs such as “Jealous Motherfucker.” All in all, they made an impressionable appearance and assuredly made new fans in Eugene.
Once the Black Lips arrived onstage, the crowd was packed and ready to blow. There was that bottled up energy floating around the venue, causing everyone to look restless and antsy. The result in response to the first note was an immediate surge forward. The sudden movement flowed into sections of dancers, moshers, standers and those who tried to mosh and dance at the same time. Not one person appeared unhappy.
At the opening riff to popular Lips single, “O Katrina,” the crowd reached its maximum level of excitement with an avalanche of crowd surfers and stage divers rolling overhead. The hysteria peaked again on “Bad Kids” and audience requested “Navajo.” Even I got washed away by the commotion and momentarily found myself rocking out in the pit. This probably wasn’t the smartest idea considering that I was holding a university rented camera. But hey, you’re only young and stupid once. Even the older members of the audience had no problem shedding a couple decades of wisdom and composure as they stepped into the rowdy fun.
Besides the occasional loogy, no bodily fluids were expelled onstage; nor were any inappropriate body parts exposed. No fights broke out, either. It’s true that the Black Lips don’t need any antics to make their live show interesting. What remains is good clean fun that can’t be refused. And no one in Eugene could deny that the Black Lips know how to put on a quality show.